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 Post subject: 908 SHOULD THE U.S. ELIMINATE ITS FARM BILL?
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It began as an effort to help farmers farm in hard times, but grew into an effort to help just about everyone do everything for everybody all the time.

The federal government’s efforts to manage the nation’s food chain began with the Federal Farm Loan Act of 1916, and was made permanent in a provision in the Agriculture Adjustment Act of 1938 that says, in effect, that if Congress does not pass a Farm Bill, the federal government will then have to provide financial support to farmers by artificially inflating the prices of the commodities farmers produce.

Thus milk that now sells for $2.10 might have to be sold for $5.20!

To avoid this onerous “permanent law,” the federal government dutifully passes a Farm Bill every five years, give or take,

However, over the course of a century, the federal government’s Farm Bills have grown to include provisions, like Food Stamps, that are designed to help just about everyone up and down the food chain.

As a consequence of its desire to help everybody, the federal government now finds itself well over $16 trillion in debt, and unable to agree on the provisions of a new Farm Bill. This leads us to ask…

Should the U.S. eliminate its Farm Bill? (Food Chain Radio #908)


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This from WOWO Farm Director Rob Rummel...

Trusting you'll cover the fact that just shy of 80% of all spending in the "Farm Bill" is spent on food stamps. As a farmdirector for a radio station with an 80+ year history of serving the farm community in the midst of the grain belt, I have suggested to Congressman that the "Farm Bill" be split into two seperate bills. First and foremost because the "Farm" bill gets all the blame for the massive expense because our name is in the title. Since 80% of the expense of the bill is for food stamps, lets call it the "Food Stamp" bill instead and see where the political pressure lands then. My position is that we should seperate the two and allow them each to stand on their own merits.

When everyone is railing at politicians who are spending like drunken sailors and demanding indiscriminate cuts across the board, lets be reminded that for a box of cereal that costs $2-99 the farmer gets about 19-cents. Lets also be reminded that food stamps were designed and should continue to be a hand UP not a hand OUT.....and yet the amount of fraud and abuse is overwhelming. And still, the federal government spent money recently on TV commercials to invite people to apply for food stamps. Lets be reminded that the Rockefeller family claimed the acreage that their vacation fishing lodge sits on as part of the Farm Bill's Conservation Reserve Program and they get paid NOT to farm it. Is this what the Farm Bill should be used for?

The "Farm Bill" should be about preserving food security for citizens of the U.S., not a vending machine for freebies for anyone that can figure out how to cheat the system. And for anyone who doesn't understand that bread, milk and eggs are NOT made in the back room at Krogers..... gather up the kids and grandkids and visit a farm.

Lets remember that right behind clean air and water is a reliable food source....and standing behind that food source is the American farmer. We all need to remember that if he's not in business because of a drought or tornado.... we don't eat. Common sense would suggest that we give him what he's asking for.....an occasional hand up when he needs it......not a hand out.


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 Post subject: Re: 908 SHOULD THE U.S. ELIMINATE ITS FARM BILL?
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This from Don the Renegade Gardner...

This will be a good topic, Michael. My opinion, the answer to your question is YES. The reality of what will happen? NO. The reason: The Santa Claus factor. Politicians would rather be reelected than do what is best for the economy. And there are friends and acquaintances with whom I argue who claim that the US Government "doesn't control portions of the economy." I kid you not.


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This from Paul...

Why not go direct to the organization that was directly involved at the time of the depression and still exists today?

http://www.normeconomics.org/


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This from SH...

Those farm bills are meant to enslave and take away the land from the farmer for either the favored large corp. or for government control (our local city and county have been buying up land with our dollars and giving the farming rights to certain select people, subsidizing them, and then allowing GMO crops and all the toxic chemicals that go along with it.
Book: Night came to The Farms of the Great Plains

We do not have the gov't that this country was founded on.


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 Post subject: Re: 908 SHOULD THE U.S. ELIMINATE ITS FARM BILL?
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This from Paul in Wisconsin...

Michael,
Wisconsin in the recent past had a rather volatile social scenario over budget concerns. The amount of state revenue that would have been generated on the billions in lost parity farm income as listed on the excel spread sheet would have resolved the income problem.
Paul


Wisconsin's Lost Agricultural Income calculation
$ billions col. C / col.
B (as %) col. C - col. D
A B C D E
year USDA parity ratio WI crfm WI par crfm WI lost ag income
1953 92 $1.05 $1.14 ($0.09)
1954 89 $0.99 $1.12 ($0.12)
1955 84 $0.98 $1.17 ($0.19) crfm = cash receipts from
1956 83 $1.02 $1.23 ($0.21) farm marketings as published
1957 82 $1.07 $1.30 ($0.23) by Econ. Res. Svc., USDA
1958 85 $1.13 $1.32 ($0.20) (www.ers.usda.gov)
1959 82 $1.09 $1.33 ($0.24)
1960 80 $1.10 $1.38 ($0.28)
1961 79 $1.13 $1.43 ($0.30)
1962 80 $1.14 $1.43 ($0.29) USDA parity ratio
1963 78 $1.13 $1.45 ($0.32) reference is 1910-1914=100
1964 76 $1.19 $1.57 ($0.38) as published by Nat'l. Ag.
1965 77 $1.26 $1.63 ($0.38) Stat. Svc., USDA
1966 80 $1.42 $1.77 ($0.35) (www.nass.usda.gov)
1967 74 $1.39 $1.88 ($0.49)
1968 73 $1.46 $2.00 ($0.54)
1969 74 $1.53 $2.07 ($0.54)
1970 72 $1.60 $2.22 ($0.62) Provided by NORM, Jan. 2012
1971 70 $1.66 $2.37 ($0.71) (www.normeconomics.org)
1972 73 $1.85 $2.53 ($0.68)
1973 89 $2.28 $2.56 ($0.28)
1974 79 $2.47 $3.13 ($0.66)
1975 72 $2.67 $3.71 ($1.04)
1976 72 $3.03 $4.20 ($1.18)
1977 67 $3.16 $4.71 ($1.56)
1978 70 $3.65 $5.21 ($1.56)
1979 72 $4.21 $5.84 ($1.64)
1980 65 $4.64 $7.14 ($2.50)
1981 62 $5.22 $8.43 ($3.20)
1982 58 $5.09 $8.78 ($3.69)
1983 56 $5.02 $8.96 ($3.94)
1984 58 $4.94 $8.52 ($3.58)
1985 52 $5.08 $9.77 ($4.69)
1986 52 $4.90 $9.43 ($4.52)
1987 52 $5.09 $9.79 ($4.70)
1988 54 $5.01 $9.28 ($4.27)
1989 55 $5.35 $9.73 ($4.38)
1990 54 $5.68 $10.52 ($4.84)
1991 52 $5.41 $10.41 ($4.99)
1992 49 $5.67 $11.57 ($5.90)
1993 47 $5.42 $11.54 ($6.12)
1994 45 $5.42 $12.04 ($6.62)
1995 44 $5.69 $12.93 ($7.24)
1996 47 $6.06 $12.90 ($6.84)
1997 43 $5.76 $13.39 ($7.63)
1998 42 $6.07 $14.44 ($8.38)
1999 40 $5.56 $13.89 ($8.33)
2000 38 $5.36 $14.10 ($8.74)
2001 40 $5.96 $14.91 ($8.95)
2002 38 $5.52 $14.54 ($9.01)
2003 40 $6.14 $15.35 ($9.21)
2004 42 $7.16 $17.05 ($9.89)
2005 39 $7.07 $18.13 ($11.06)
2006 37 $7.14 $19.31 ($12.16)
2007 40 $8.87 $22.18 ($13.31)
2008 39 $9.52 $24.40 ($14.89)
2009 36 $7.59 $21.09 ($13.50)
2010 37 $8.97 $24.07 ($15.11)

($247.26) total lost ag income over 58 years

($4.26) avg. loss per year

($1,730.79) total lost WI contribution to National
Income if ag multiplier = 7


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